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In Support of Luke and Noah! Write P&G!; The perfect Nuke storm is brewing...
Topic Started: Dec 18 2007, 02:40 AM (5,541 Views)
john1f	Dec 18 2007, 02:40 AM Post #1
Vanatic Posts: 1,235 Group: Members Member #401 Joined: September 1, 2007	READ BELOW FOR WAYS THAT YOU CAN SUPPORT LUKE AND NOAH! Updated on 2/14 with new ideas and information Please keep this effort positive and note our appreciation for what ATWT, Van, and Jake have done so far. We want to let the producers know that we're here to support them in developing Luke and Noah's story further. Thanks so much! Please help with as many of the efforts below as you can. Every bit helps. If you propose new ideas in this thread, I'll add it to the list. It'd be great if you could volunteer to own specific efforts such as contacting an organization. Luke and Noah has the best fan base ever. We have great ideas and pulled together for the holiday project. I can't wait to see what we accomplish. Go Nuke! 1. Write to P&G and CBS in support of Nuke's story. Keep the focus on Luke and Noah's story and Van and Jake's contributions, NOT the fact that Van asked us to support it, as our sentiments would be the same even if he had not. Many people have suggested that we keep the letters largely positive for now and encourage them to increase the air time while maintaining the quality of the story. We could also mention the incredibly long list of awards received by Luke, Noah, Van, and/or Jake this year, which Roger compiled. Write to both P&G (higher priority) and CBS and include a Hershey's Kiss with your letters as part of the Kiss Campaign. Please visit the excellent web site created by Richard for tips on writing a letter and more information. Spread the word by pointing people to that URL. Ron has created stationery for the Kiss Campaign: Word \| PDF. Web Site: http://lukeandnoah.wetpaint.com/page/Support+Luke+and+Noah Kiss Campaign: http://www.afterelton.com/node/12508 Keep It Simple, Stupid! (KISS): http://z13.invisionfree.com/vanhansis/inde...?showtopic=4649 (letter writing tips) Brian T. Cahill Televest/Procter & Gamble Productions World Wide Plaza 825 8th Avenue New York, NY 10019 Pat Gentile Procter & Gamble Productions World Wide Plaza 825 8th Avenue New York, NY 10019 Barbara Bloom Senior Vice-President, Daytime Programs CBS Television 7800 Beverly Blvd Los Angeles, CA 90036 2. Sign the online petition in support of Luke and Noah. Owner: AuntieT822 This is easier than writing a letter. We'll get signatures from a much broader group of people including non-fans. This is NOT a substitute for writing letters to P&G. Online Petition: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Luke_and_Noah/index.html 3. Write to ATWT producers and CBS online. Thank them for their support of Luke and Noah's story. CBS might be able to apply a bit of pressure from their side. You might mention that this letter writing to P&G is underway. If you have time, it'd be helpful to write to both CBS executives and ATWT producers/writers. CBS Contacts: http://noahandluke.com/support.html CBS Online Feedback: http://www.cbs.com/info/user_services/fb_global_form.shtml 4. Publicize the campaign broadly to media and organizations. Owners: ??? Let's broaden the campaign to media, soap magazines, organizations, and web sites that would be supportive. This might even get Luke and Noah's story a bit of coverage by the mainstream media. If you participate in related web sites, you might spread the word about Luke and Noah and the current situation. Contact Information: (courtesy of Rygel) Soap Opera Digest: 261 Madison Ave, New York, NY 10016, sodsound@primediamags.com Soap Opera Weekly: 261 Madison Ave, New York, NY 10016, spwpubop@primediamags.com AfterElton.com Advocate: P.O. Box 4371, Los Angeles, CA 90078, (323) 852-7200, newsroom@advocate.com OUT: (323) 852-7200 (editorial offices), letters@out.com Oprah: https://www.oprah.com/plugger/templates/BeO...plugId=B2100004 GLAAD: 104 West 29th St Fl 4, New York, NY 10001-5310, (212) 629-3322, https://www.glaad.org/action/report.php Human Rights Campaign: 1640 Rhode Island Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036-3278, (800) 777-4723, hrc@hrc.org Other ideas? 5. Voice your support via the ATWT comment line. Call the ATWT comment line during the day and tell the person what you think of Luke and Noah's story and ask them to pass your feedback onto the producers. If you call after hours, you should ask the security person to redirect you to the ATWT comment line and leave a voice mail. It is more effective if you speak to a representative during the day. Phone: 718-780-6400* (JC Studios), 212-975-3247 (CBS), 718-780-7675 (ATWT) Hours: 9 a.m. - 5 p.m. (EST) * Ask for their ATWT comment line. 6. Publicize the campaign via the usual Nuke channels. Owners: Andy, Mark, ??? Andy and Mark plan to post a video on their channels. It'd be fantastic to get the international fan base in on this campaign. It'd be great if anyone else with a popular YouTube channel could host a video. It might be nice if one of us could create a video that other people can repost. YouTube Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEaSB2G0qqA (Andy's) YouTube Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mexrhdcFgvI (Mark's) In addition, you can spread the word about Luke's coming out story and Luke and Noah's story to friends and forums that you participate in. YouTube channels (especially LukeVanFan and MarkDutchViewer) Nuke-friendly ATWT message boards? Other ideas? 7. Submit ideas or suggestions for the campaign's web site. Owner: Richard The web site for the Holiday Project was incredibly useful for publicizing it broadly, and thanks to Richard, we now have a similar page to summarize how people can support Luke and Noah. Please send him suggestions! Web Site: http://lukeandnoah.wetpaint.com/page/Support+Luke+and+Noah What people can do to show their support Link to the online petition Links to information on Luke and Noah's story? Photos of Luke and Noah Examples and tips for writing the letters Other ideas? 8. Drop Van and Jake a quick note expressing our appreciation. Van and Jake would probably appreciate a quick note of support, as they work so hard to be true to Luke and Noah's story but the producers wreck it. Web Site: http://officialatwtfanclub.com/ (click on Cast Email) 9. Any other ideas?! Please post your ideas to this new thread or volunteer to drive a specific effort!



ethertwist	Dec 18 2007, 02:50 AM Post #2
SHIFT Happens... Posts: 1,822 Group: Members Member #309 Joined: August 20, 2007	Brilliant! Thanks John for outlining the wonderful ideas presented in the other thread and for compiling all the pertinent information we would need in order to take action... Perhaps this should be a "pinned" to the top of the first page?



SageHarrison	Dec 18 2007, 05:54 AM Post #3
Starsky and Hutch: The next generation! Posts: 11,243 Group: Members Member #610 Joined: October 29, 2007 How did you discover Van? I have watched ATWT for over 27 years and was impressed with Van since day one! What is your favorite Nuke moment? Do I have 2 choose which 1? It's easier 2 tell U wha'ts NOT my favorite: the wedding from hell...	Thanks John! As an activist that has done her share of writing for the Nuke cause - your info was spot on! I and my husband believe this is exactly what is needed, to encourage and inspire those members and lurkers who - want to do something - yet have difficulty getting started... I would also like to add here, that if anyone reading this post NEEDS help (or a kick to the seat of the pants) to get a letter started, drop me a pm! REMEMBER - your letter does not need to be long or filled with flowery words...you just need to get something on paper so your voice will be heard!
	banner by twin1729, avatar by for love


MarkDutchViewer	Dec 18 2007, 06:05 AM Post #4
Vanatic Posts: 12,373 Group: Admin Member #48 Joined: June 12, 2006 How did you discover Van? Luke was still a little boy when I saw spoilers from the US about Luke's new storyline!	Maybe I'll write a letter too! Mailing something from here to the States was a lot cheaper than I thought.
	Elizabeth Hubbard as Sair Poindexter on Good Times Bad Times


bjolly	Dec 18 2007, 08:36 AM Post #5
Vanatic Posts: 2,862 Group: Members Member #661 Joined: November 22, 2007	I think letters from outside the US would be very valuable. Large companies like P&G operate worldwide, and it might help to remind them that some other countries are not as backwards as the US when it comes to things like homosexuality. To echo what Sage said for those who feel they don't know how to write a letter - just write what you feel. It doesn't have to be brilliant. It just has to say that this is important to you. That the story of Luke and Noah means a lot to you, and why you like it, and that you don't want to see it censored. You can do it!
	Beth Charter Member of Lesbians for Luke and Noah Threatening the foundations of civilization since 1999! (damn thing just won't collapse....)


Longtime	Dec 18 2007, 08:41 AM Post #6
Vanatic Posts: 2,707 Group: Members Member #294 Joined: August 18, 2007	Some other friendly suggestions: Keep everything tactful. Keep Van and Jake's names totally out of it, do nothing to risk them getting any flack. Please consider NOT giving up on the show. Less viewers = less ratings (eventually) = bigger chance the show is cancelled = "they win anyway".



AuntieT822	Dec 18 2007, 08:47 AM Post #7
Vanatic Posts: 6,620 Group: Admin Member #628 Joined: November 10, 2007	john1f Dec 18 2007, 03:40 AM 2. Start an online petition in support of Luke and Noah. Owner: ??? This is easier than writing a letter. We'll get signatures from a much broader group of people (including non-fans). This is not a substitute for our letter writing to P&G. I looked over many petition web sites and these two were the nicest. Can one of us own writing and setting up the petition? http://www.petitionspot.com/ http://www.gopetition.com/ I actually was working on setting up the petition last night when you were writing this. I checked into the two sites you mentioned, but, have a friend that has used both of those sites, as well as ipetitions.com (which is what I went with) and he said that he had the best experience with that site. I petition in support of Nuke As I said in the thread I started, we can adjust the wording of the statement if we think it is necessary after this weeks episodes.



dynoguy88	Dec 18 2007, 09:38 AM Post #8
Andy loves Van Posts: 6,913 Group: Members Member #221 Joined: June 22, 2007	john1f Dec 18 2007, 02:40 AM Andy and Mark, would you be willing to post a video? You guys are the best! It'd be fantastic to get the international fan base in on this campaign. Whatever you need me to tell my subscribers, I'll do. I've already bugged them to vote in countless Nuke polls and I got a bunch of them to call the ATWT hotline last week in support of Nuke anyway.
	"I have a fan who puts pretty much every scene I'm in up on YouTube and I think people watch me on that. I watch on that!" ~ Van Hansis "I met the guy who puts it on and he's such a sweet guy. He came to the fan luncheon this past year and I really thank him so much for putting them on. It's really such a great way to see us if you've missed an episode and I think he's definitely part of the reason that we've gotten such a great response." ~ Jake Silbermann


MarkDutchViewer	Dec 18 2007, 11:03 AM Post #9
Vanatic Posts: 12,373 Group: Admin Member #48 Joined: June 12, 2006 How did you discover Van? Luke was still a little boy when I saw spoilers from the US about Luke's new storyline!	dynoguy88 Dec 18 2007, 03:38 PM john1f Dec 18 2007, 02:40 AM Andy and Mark, would you be willing to post a video? You guys are the best! It'd be fantastic to get the international fan base in on this campaign. Whatever you need me to tell my subscribers, I'll do. I've already bugged them to vote in countless Nuke polls and I got a bunch of them to call the ATWT hotline last week in support of Nuke anyway. I'm willing to post a video too. I haven't done that before, because my video's aren't about Luke and Noah, just Luke.
	Elizabeth Hubbard as Sair Poindexter on Good Times Bad Times


john1f	Dec 18 2007, 12:45 PM Post #10
Vanatic Posts: 1,235 Group: Members Member #401 Joined: September 1, 2007	AuntieT822 Dec 18 2007, 06:47 AM john1f Dec 18 2007, 03:40 AM 2. Start an online petition in support of Luke and Noah. Owner: ??? This is easier than writing a letter. We'll get signatures from a much broader group of people (including non-fans). This is not a substitute for our letter writing to P&G. I looked over many petition web sites and these two were the nicest. Can one of us own writing and setting up the petition? http://www.petitionspot.com/ http://www.gopetition.com/ I actually was working on setting up the petition last night when you were writing this. I checked into the two sites you mentioned, but, have a friend that has used both of those sites, as well as ipetitions.com (which is what I went with) and he said that he had the best experience with that site. I petition in support of Nuke As I said in the thread I started, we can adjust the wording of the statement if we think it is necessary after this weeks episodes. Thanks so much for setting up this online petition! I've updated #2 above to point people to the petition. The text looks great. Already at 30 signatures!



john1f	Dec 18 2007, 12:47 PM Post #11
Vanatic Posts: 1,235 Group: Members Member #401 Joined: September 1, 2007	dynoguy88 Dec 18 2007, 07:38 AM john1f Dec 18 2007, 02:40 AM Andy and Mark, would you be willing to post a video? You guys are the best! It'd be fantastic to get the international fan base in on this campaign. Whatever you need me to tell my subscribers, I'll do. I've already bugged them to vote in countless Nuke polls and I got a bunch of them to call the ATWT hotline last week in support of Nuke anyway. Thanks, Andy! You're the best. I loved how you got your subscribers to flood the ATWT comment line. Is anyone willing to set up a web site on the campaign, along the lines of what we did for the holiday project? You might be able to use some of the text above as a starting point for the web site.



john1f	Dec 18 2007, 12:49 PM Post #12
Vanatic Posts: 1,235 Group: Members Member #401 Joined: September 1, 2007	DutchViewer Dec 18 2007, 09:03 AM dynoguy88 Dec 18 2007, 03:38 PM john1f Dec 18 2007, 02:40 AM Andy and Mark, would you be willing to post a video? You guys are the best! It'd be fantastic to get the international fan base in on this campaign. Whatever you need me to tell my subscribers, I'll do. I've already bugged them to vote in countless Nuke polls and I got a bunch of them to call the ATWT hotline last week in support of Nuke anyway. I'm willing to post a video too. I haven't done that before, because my video's aren't about Luke and Noah, just Luke. That'd be great if you could do that. It'd reach out to the fans in the Netherlands. Thanks, Mark!



MarkDutchViewer	Dec 18 2007, 01:03 PM Post #13
Vanatic Posts: 12,373 Group: Admin Member #48 Joined: June 12, 2006 How did you discover Van? Luke was still a little boy when I saw spoilers from the US about Luke's new storyline!	john1f Dec 18 2007, 06:49 PM DutchViewer Dec 18 2007, 09:03 AM dynoguy88 Dec 18 2007, 03:38 PM john1f Dec 18 2007, 02:40 AM Andy and Mark, would you be willing to post a video? You guys are the best! It'd be fantastic to get the international fan base in on this campaign. Whatever you need me to tell my subscribers, I'll do. I've already bugged them to vote in countless Nuke polls and I got a bunch of them to call the ATWT hotline last week in support of Nuke anyway. I'm willing to post a video too. I haven't done that before, because my video's aren't about Luke and Noah, just Luke. That'd be great if you could do that. It'd reach out to the fans in the Netherlands. Thanks, Mark! It's not a problem. A lot of my subscribers are also subscribed to Andy's channel, but if we can reach a few more people it's already a succes. What should I mention in my video?
	Elizabeth Hubbard as Sair Poindexter on Good Times Bad Times


Keira	Dec 18 2007, 01:13 PM Post #14
Vantastic Posts: 82 Group: Members Member #505 Joined: September 25, 2007	Thanks for organizing things, John! It would be great if this thread could be pinned. Roger? Is that your department? I definitely want to emphasize that we don't want to mention that Van said anything. The last thing in the world I want to do is get him in trouble! We also really need to stress to everyone that it's the snail mail letter writing to P&G that will be the most effective. An online petition can't hurt, but they aren't really taken seriously since it's so easy to inflate the numbers. Taking the effort to actually write is much more meaningful to P&G. We know the haters will make the effort, so we have to, too. Also: In case we do want to do something in the future involving sending an object in, my friend had a fantastic idea: Hershey's Kisses. It's a positive message (we want more kissing because the storyline is so good), and people in the P&G office can also eat them. That way they theoretically won't be as annoyed as they might be receiving bars of soap. Just a thought.
	Get your gay romance (with kissing and everything!) at www.keiraandrews.com


IndyVanJakeFan	Dec 18 2007, 03:23 PM Post #15
Vandalous Posts: 32 Group: Members Member #683 Joined: December 4, 2007	Great ideas! I'm gonna get started writing today! I say let's keep the letters positive and thank them for the good things (bringing us a great story with two great actors). Then they'll be more receptive to our requests! One other thing: wouldn't some more affectionate hugs also make the story better? I'm thinking of requesting that, too, because I think it would really add to it if they would have a warm embrace or two at appropriate times . . .



IndyVanJakeFan	Dec 18 2007, 03:32 PM Post #16
Vandalous Posts: 32 Group: Members Member #683 Joined: December 4, 2007	Another thought: P & G deserves thanks for helping bring this story to the air. So, when I recmommend thanking them, I mean it in a sincere way. When we thank them, I think we can be genuine in doing so, not just as a method to try to get what we want!



IndyVanJakeFan	Dec 18 2007, 04:11 PM Post #17
Vandalous Posts: 32 Group: Members Member #683 Joined: December 4, 2007	Thanks John for starting this in such a positive way! With these letters we have a chance to ask for more air time, in addition to the already stated concerns, right? I also recommend sending the writers a letter (if they are allowed to read mail while on strike) to ask them to continue the good work, because, if our boys do get more story line, then we want them to maintain the high quality, right?



Richard	Dec 18 2007, 05:54 PM Post #18
Van Fan Posts: 0 Group: Banned Member #603 Joined: October 25, 2007	john1f Dec 18 2007, 01:40 AM 3. Set up a web site to summarize this campaign. Owner: ??? The web site for the Holiday Project was incredibly useful for publicizing it broadly. We need a similar page to summarize how people can support Luke and Noah. Anyone want to take on setting up the web site? What people can do to show their support Link to the online petition Links to information on Luke and Noah's story? Photos of Luke and Noah Examples and tips for writing the letters Other ideas? John, We'd be happy to create a "Support Luke and Noah" section of the Luke and Noah Wiki. It would contain all of the elements you suggest--links to online polls and the petition, links to info on Luke and Noah's story (we have a running synopsis), links to Luke and Noah photos, etc. And, of course, it would contain letter-writing tips: Where to send them and what to say and to avoid saying. Nialla's post in another thread is a great start: Quote: As a cranky old fandom geezer, I'll toss in my two cents regarding fandom campaigns, with specifics for this particular one. 1) Remain positive. When writing to P&G, writing a variation of "You suck!" is going to get you a big fat nothing. Talk about how much you've enjoyed the storyline, but have been disappointed in the recent lack of affection between Noah and Luke. It's also a good idea to not bash other storylines or say Luke/Noah is the only thing you watch, though you might say something along the lines of, "I wish other couples on the show could be as endearingly romantic." 2) Reconsider sending in a competitors product or anything else beyond a letter. TPTB have learned from the "Jericho" nut campaign. Fans trying to resurrect "The Dresden Files" on the Sci Fi Channel were sending in drumsticks (the lead character is a wizard that uses a drumstick as a magic wand), but Sci Fi has started rejecting the packets with those in them -- so no message is received at all. Instead, consider making a poster using an image of the product. 3) Name dropping works. Mention the products made by P&G you use (listed upthread), proving that your money is just as green as any naysayers. Might also be good to mention the amount of money raised for Broadway Cares too, showing how much strong support -- financial support -- among fans of the show. Also mention how much positive press you've seen regarding the storyline, especially if such press is how you started watching the show. 4) Share your history. Been watching the show since you were a child at grandma's knee? Did you become a new viewer once you heard about the Luke/Noah storyline? Tell them that. Let them know they've kept a viewer or gained a new one to counteract any "I'm going to quit watching your show!" threats. 5) Don't use fandom terms. We know what Nuke means, but fannish terms like that tend to make executives look down on us. They may make the show, but that doesn't make them fans. 6) Timing is everything. I know everyone wants to do something right this instant, but it might be better to wait until we see if we get what we think we're supposed to get later this week. If not... let loose the dogs of war. B) If we do get a Christmas kiss, write anyway and let P&G know you're glad to see Luke and Noah treated like any other romance, and keep #1-5 in mind, and add in how you hope to see the storyline continue this way. 7) Online petitions... don't work. At all. They're too easy to manipulate and TPTB don't pay any attention to them. What they want to see is fans who're dedicated enough to type a letter, print it out on paper, put it in an envelope and put a stamp on it. One actual letter is worth much more than hundreds of emails. We fans may be comfortable online, but TPTB, not so much. How does that sound? I can start working on it tonight while I "watch" the last two days of ATWT...



HansisFan77	Dec 18 2007, 07:29 PM Post #19
The Girl who makes the Bread Posts: 9,108 Group: Members Member #567 Joined: October 13, 2007 How did you discover Van? I discovered Van when I first heard Luke would come out... became a true fan 8/17/07 What is your favorite Nuke moment? i have many but i think right now it's the moment they shared after they made love	Thanks for getting this organized John. I love all the suggestions so far and I think we can really do this. I have faith that we can give Nuke the support they need hands down. Sage I may be sending you a pm to get letter help because I know what to say just not how to say it without sounding off? well yeah I will pm you. You know speaking of hugs, we could send hershey's kisses and hershey's hugs too. kinda just to say hugs are nice hugs are good a little affection but not too much...a nice medium. anyway I am excited to get going on this. going to make sure i sign the petition. and if there is anything more i can do tell me i would be willing to help anyway i can
	"One fan makes this really good cinnamon bread and I'm looking forward to that," said Van Hansis. I think she's bringing some. She brought some for Jake [Silbermann, Noah, last time] and I ate his." Thanks heather and CasaLuna for the great banners Thanks casaluna for the avvie


Richard	Dec 18 2007, 08:53 PM Post #20
Van Fan Posts: 0 Group: Banned Member #603 Joined: October 25, 2007	OK, I've set up a page on the Luke and Noah Wiki called Support Luke and Noah. Right now it focuses on tips for letter writing and includes a link to a list of P&G products that people can reference to write their letters. Would you all take a look and offer your suggestions? I think it would be good to add sub-pages with sample letters in the future. What do others think?



SevenD	Dec 18 2007, 08:59 PM Post #21
Fate . . . bites. Posts: 0 Group: Banned Member #558 Joined: October 9, 2007	Thanks so much John, Richard and Nialla! First for getting the ball rolling and then for all these brillant ideas. This will def. help me in writing to P&G....some of this never would have entered my mind....so thanks again!



HansisFan77	Dec 18 2007, 09:16 PM Post #22
The Girl who makes the Bread Posts: 9,108 Group: Members Member #567 Joined: October 13, 2007 How did you discover Van? I discovered Van when I first heard Luke would come out... became a true fan 8/17/07 What is your favorite Nuke moment? i have many but i think right now it's the moment they shared after they made love	Okay i signed the petition and i think i may have something to put in a letter to p&g. I am going to run it by sage and actually its my comments in the petition lol i don't know if it made sense or if tis just ramble
	"One fan makes this really good cinnamon bread and I'm looking forward to that," said Van Hansis. I think she's bringing some. She brought some for Jake [Silbermann, Noah, last time] and I ate his." Thanks heather and CasaLuna for the great banners Thanks casaluna for the avvie


forlove	Dec 18 2007, 09:52 PM Post #23
Vanatic Posts: 3,881 Group: Members Member #421 Joined: September 7, 2007	Will write/mail the letter this weekend. Thank you for the tips!
	~ sig avis by Jordan (aka lessthanthree); TX banner by Moey ~


Nialla	Dec 18 2007, 10:04 PM Post #24
Vanatic Posts: 1,232 Group: Members Member #456 Joined: September 15, 2007	Anyone who wants to repeat all or part of my post in any Luke/Noah forum, feel free to do so. I'm not saying I know it all (far from it), but if it can help folks get started, I'm all for sharing. I've been involved in fandom stuff for over 15 years now, and have watched many campaigns come and go, so I've picked up a lot of "do's and don'ts" from various sources.


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